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Cynthia Watson's avatar

Steve,

I am so happy you raised the question. NEVER ought we simply accept someone's argument without being content we see the basis to the argument, even if we don't (and you haven't said you didn't) agree with it.

I could not agree with you more that we ought NOT have a standard for Donald Trump, then one for Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or Mike Pence, or anyone else. What limited I understand, the FBI under Republican James Comey investigated Clinton. I understand that Republican Christopher Wray is still investigating Joe Biden and did Mike Pence. NONE of the four of them should be treated with a different standard on classified material outside of the SCIF; it was wrong in each case as it would have been for you and me.

What, then, is the difference if I reject the premise (as I do) that this is partisan attack on former President Trump? If I understand it correctly, the difference is both in the volume of material he kept and sought to avoid returning. If I understand the investigation completed on Pence and still underway on Biden, both acknowledged they had erroneously kept the material and surrendered it immediately. As I read the indictment, former President Trump both denied he had the material, sought to maintain it outside the required conditions, and had literally boxes and boxes of it.

My understanding, which admittedly is failing after 7 years, is that Secretary Clinton had email messages rather than boxes of material. That was flat out inappropriate. If I remember correctly, however, it was investigated and many people believe (I am not one, by the way) that Comey's public acknowledgement of investigation was the deciding factor against her in the 2016 election. It did not, however, rise to the level of going before a Grand Jury which voted an indictment for her. I don't know the reason as James Comey, while he may now be a Trump opponent, was anything but a Democratic stooge in 2016. I therefore have to assume it either it did not meet the Grand Jury's belief it merited an indictment or some other reason. I also honestly cannot recall whether she was in the same position to return the material, in a fundamentally different format, to the USG. If she flat out said she would not, then that is utterly wrong as it is for the former President. I simply do not entirely know to a level that will satisfy everyone why they were treated differently except for the absolutely irrefutable--if my memory is correct and you are free to correct me--difference that the former President enlisted someone to lie not only to his attorneys but to the National Archives and Records Administration and FBI about the documents.

Tell me where I have the wrong as it does seem rather different in some important details.

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Steve Coonen's avatar

Cynthia, with a desire to remain apolitical, I think the concern is the appearance of double standards. As you noted, Top Secret information must be stored in a SCIF. The security classification of "Top Secret" is applied to information that the unauthorized disclosure could be expected to "cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security."

President Trump, Secretary Clinton, and President Biden violated the SCIF requirement for top secret information, and in principle, only Trump had the authority to declassify the documents, though as is his hamfisted tendencies, it appears that he did not follow proper procedures to do so. Still, he is the only one being indicted for what is arguably the same crimes Biden and Clinton committed.

The WSJ editorial board's comments describe a potential greater concern to our democratic process in the pursuit of charges against Trump. https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-indictment-classified-documents-jack-smith-mar-a-lago-biden-justice-department-81591082?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

Very respectfully, Steve

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